beyond ArtLess
“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.
Episodes
138 episodes
Compilation 4: 2025 Midwest Clinic Series
This Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down th...
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Season 4
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Episode 21
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Compilation 3: 2025 Midwest Clinic Series
This Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down th...
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Season 4
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Episode 20
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Compilation 2: 2025 Midwest Clinic Series
This Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down th...
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Season 4
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Episode 19
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Compilation 1: 2025 Midwest Clinic Series
This Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down th...
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Season 4
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Episode 18
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Heidi & Dan Joosten
A first for the podcast – a brother and sister tandem. Heidi and Dan (and their musician sister Sara) were destined for music from an early age – even though enrolling in college in unrelated fields. Their parents, Beth and Mike Joo...
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Season 4
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Episode 17
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Jodie Blackshaw
Beyond Artless: Featuring Composer Jodie BlackshawIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we are honored to welcome Jodie Blackshaw, internationally performed composer, educator, and creative voice whose music speaks with hone...
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Season 4
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Episode 16
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Tony Baker
Once again, this podcast manages to leave our guest feeling both uncomfortable and slightly disoriented. Today’s show features the incredible trombonist, educator, and all-around human gem Tony Baker, Professor of Trombone at the University of ...
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Season 4
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Episode 15
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Matt Turek
A giant leap across the pond to Germany for the podcast today with our guest, Matt Turek. Matt has taught in just about every capacity one can - from elementary general and high school band in an urban environment to middle school suburba...
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Season 4
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Episode 14
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Tony Boldt
In this episode of Beyond Artless, we sit down with Tony Boldt, a passionate educator and musician from Kasson-Mantorville Schools, whose leadership and creativity continue to shape the musical experiences of young performers in...
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Season 4
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Episode 13
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Deanna Swoboda
Fresh off the heels of our first — and let’s be honest, probably our only — live episode recording at the Wisconsin State Music Conference, we’re back and better than ever with an incredible guest: dynamic tuba artist and educator D...
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Season 4
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Episode 12
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Kristen Kirch
The losing battle for interesting banter continues this week. Phil’s most interesting question is about fish fry. Chris inches closer to a podcast sponsorship. Peter details the finer points of Bismarck nightlife. Kriste...
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Season 4
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Episode 11
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Allison Mottaz
This week on Beyond Artless, we welcome the dynamic and delightfully down-to-earth Alli Mottaz, an instrumental music educator, percussionist, and all-around creative powerhouse from Waconia, Minnesota.Alli shares her journey fr...
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Season 4
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Episode 10
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William Owens
With over 300 compositions to his credit, Willie Owens is a common name in music education. We sit down with Willie to chat about his 30 years of teaching band in Texas, his approach to honor bands, influential mentors, his recent honorary doct...
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Season 4
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Episode 9
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Dean Sorenson
Commuter – nearly every one of you has either conducted or played a chart written by the great Dean Sorenson. We get a chance to chat with Dean about subpar bus driving, almost missing a gig with Rosemary Clooney (George’s mom) and more.&...
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Season 4
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Episode 8
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Jennifer Rogholt
In this heartfelt episode of Beyond Artless, we shine a spotlight on Jennifer Rogholt — a dedicated band mom whose tireless support and advocacy for music education has made a lasting impact on students, directors, and entire school co...
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Season 4
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Episode 7
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John McCallister
We all know John McCallister for the incredible free resources he shares on his website—but there’s so much more to this remarkable human. Join us for an enlightening and joyful conversation with John, whose heart is even bigger than the treasu...
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Season 4
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Episode 6
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Reid Wixson
In mid-season stride, our guest Reid Wixson shares with us on arts advocacy, affording opportunities to all students and Mumbai, India. Peter shares chewing ice cubes, Chris still distracted by the Packer game and Phil continues his quest...
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Season 4
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Episode 5
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Jason Caslor
In this episode of Beyond Artless, we welcome Jason Caslor, conductor, educator, and Director of Bands at Arizona State University. Known for his innovative programming and collaborative spirit, Jason brings a unique perspective...
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Season 4
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Episode 4
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Bob Habersat
What happens when a music teacher decides to meet students where they are and to develop new ways to engage all learners through music? You get Bob Habersat, owner and author of Shed The Music, who is part teacher, part tech wizard, an...
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Season 4
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Episode 3
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Lauren Buss
This day is a long time coming. After one year teaching, our guest Lauren Buss speaks more intelligently and inspirationally than our hosts combined. Lauren enlightens us on how to play a piano with a sledgehammer, the fine art of c...
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Season 4
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Episode 2
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Russell Peterson
In this episode of Beyond Artless, Peter brings us the extraordinary saxophonist, composer, and educator Russell Peterson, professor of saxophone, bassoon, and jazz at Concordia College in Moorhead, Minnesota.Russell shar...
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Season 4
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Episode 1
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Season 4 Teaser
Season 1 - "Hope"Season 2 - "Return of the Jackasses"Season 3 - "The FCC Strikes Back"Season 4 - "Still Unfunded, Still Unfunny" - Episode one drops Saturday, Aug 30.
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Season 4
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Episode 1
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Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser
You've heard the phrase, "needs no introduction." Well, our final guest of Season 3 truly fits the bill—Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser joins us for an inspiring conversation about leading through turbulent times, serving others, and making the ...
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Season 3
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Episode 50
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